A TikTok Family Reunion?! - Year's after the murder, Collier's new TikTok reveals his estranged birth family!

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i'm collier landry

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and i'm brenda fisher and this is moving

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past murder and on today's moving past

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murder we are discussing my new

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obsession which is tick tock

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you have been a long time tick tock fan

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and supporter

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and you have encouraged my tick tockness

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and

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so

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i to give a very brief history of my tic

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toc experience

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i started a tick-tock account like two

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years ago because i was dating this girl

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at the time

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who was trying to be like a social media

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influencer so she's like you need a tick

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tock account and of course my tick tock

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account was just silly random stuff of

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me like when i'm at you know filming on

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location or something just like random

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stuff and at the time i was working at a

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studio and we had this great space so i

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would just always like post whenever i

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was shooting right

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um but i never really delved into it

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until last week when i started putting

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my tick tocks about my personal story on

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tick tock

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and that leads to our conversation today

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so what do you think should we do it

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let's do it

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testimony continued today in the most

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notorious criminal trial in richland

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county history dr john boyle is accused

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of killing his wife maureen and burying

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her body in the basement of his new home

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in erie pennsylvania i did not kill

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maureen i never harmed her at all the 12

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year old son of accused murderer

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mansfield dr john boyle finally took the

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stand as i heard a scream i heard a thud

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was about this loud did the jury in this

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case find the defendant

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i confront my incarcerated father in

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prison and finally i'm gonna have that

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moment where i can ask this man why dad

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why did you do this everyone knows it's

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premeditated what i want to know is why

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because i have told you the truth

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this is a psychopath

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he's believing it while he's saying it

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do you think you're this is here

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no no

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okay so brenda

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tick tock

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which is kind of you know i i'm still

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trying to figure it out

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how you make the video what you do

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but i've heard it's a great way to

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promote podcasts and things of that

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nature so

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i figure what the heck and we'll just

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kind of delve into the two waters of the

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true crime tiktok

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well

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you know you you you tell me all the

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time about

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your technology experience which is

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mostly like doggy videos right

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yup anytime i am feeling down in the

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dumps i just go on tick tock and just do

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a nice deep dive into doggy videos and

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pretty soon i'm cackling out loud and i

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feel so much better

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well you you have this thing because

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every time when you see my little

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chihuahua blondie

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who has you know she's blind and she's

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you know she's almost 17.

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um yes you do this whole it's like no

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petting no petting it's

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no bad thing no betting no bad thing

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it is that and that's a tick tock thing

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right that's a tick tock one of the

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audio pieces that you can put with your

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doggy videos and uh there's another one

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that's that's just my baby doggy and i

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think you should do that one too so i

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should do that's my baby doggy on my

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baby doggy and no bed thing

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well i also heard there's a thing called

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no bones day which is like a pug that's

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really old or something uh-huh

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because my friend said it or was it a no

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bones day and i'm like what are you

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talking about i i have posted a couple

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of videos of blondie but i've also

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posted parts of the documentary and one

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of the one of the really crazy

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things about

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reaching out on social media is not only

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do you get you know interesting

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characters that come along in your life

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like stalkers or

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obsessed fans or people that are just

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really really curious about your true

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crime life

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but also

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you know one of my whole

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reasons for making a murder in mansfield

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then starting the podcast traveling

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around the world speaking about the film

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and was not only to

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to really discuss things that are

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important to me like the consequences of

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violence on communities families

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the impact on ancillary victims that

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aren't just the person that gets killed

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it's the it's the family it's the

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friends it's the

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it's the ripple effect that these

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violent circumstances have on on people

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and like i said in communities and and

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society as a whole

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but also

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there is a whole side of me

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that i don't know

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um

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i don't know anything about my family

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because

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as you know

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you know my father is you know i'm i'm

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telling the police about the murder

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nobody believes me except for the one

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detective

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then

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my father gets arrested for it finally

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then

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i'm the one who testified to the grand

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jury so they could secure an indictment

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for him for my mother's murder against

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my father

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and then with that came with the

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consequences of the fact that my

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mother's side my father's side of the

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family abandoned me because of whatever

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issues they had with me

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testify like

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you know essentially getting my father

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arrested and having that whole sort of

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betrayal i think i think they they felt

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or whatever it is i don't really ever

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have to have a

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have an answer from them

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but also that my mother's side of the

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family not wanting to deal with me as a

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as

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a

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as the son of my father right and the

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and you know as as we discussed in one

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of the other episodes in the podcast i

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call it sins of the father which is

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i had

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uh some relatives reach out to me on my

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mother's side that

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wanted to

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um

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you know wanted to talk to me and and

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but then when they told other relatives

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they were like well you won't want to be

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talking to him because you're going to

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get sucked into him because he's his

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father's son which is the sort of cross

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that i've had to bear most of my life

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right so ryan um

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i don't know a lot about my family well

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because of this posting on tech talk

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i receive a note from somebody who had

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followed me a couple of weeks prior and

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like i said i wasn't active on tick tock

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until like a week ago

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and

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this person followed me and they reached

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out

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and

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they had been married to somebody in my

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family

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and

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the the crazy thing is is that this

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person who reached out and i don't want

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to get into too many details because i

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haven't

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it's a new relationship i don't want to

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convolute anything because i'm so

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i'm so

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elated that i've actually

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got people that are going to be willing

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to talk to me

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about

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my family

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right because it's amazing yeah there's

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so much that i don't know there's so

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many because the the fact of the matter

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is is i i can't trust anything my father

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has ever said because he's a sociopath

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and a liar

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i you know my mother's not here to ask

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things

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and the family is so

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screwed up on both sides unfortunately

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that nobody talks to me about anything

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so my whole life has been

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putting these little puzzle pieces

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together these little nuggets of

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information that i just grab out of the

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ether or i'll take from my father's

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letter and i'll ask someone else and it

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in and of itself is like an

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investigation and and for me to put

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these pieces together so

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this woman this woman has reached out

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and she was married to someone in my

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family and

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you know had said

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the general consensus is is that

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she had wanted to reach out for a really

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long time she had seen the documentary

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then she started to listen to the

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podcast had read stuff had seen my ted

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talk and and astounded on the young man

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that i ended up becoming

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because

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a lot of

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you know my my original family my birth

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family they are all from philadelphia i

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grew up most of my life in ohio so

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philadelphia is a very

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urban one of the first cities in the

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united states

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it is a very historical city

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and it is very

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i don't know if cosmopolitan would be

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the right word but it is a city

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environment a very urban environment

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it is quite different than growing up in

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a rural place like mansfield ohio

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um

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and so

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that was one of the things when when my

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parents moved to ohio is it was it was a

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huge thing a huge adjustment for my mom

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and my dad because they were used to

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like a sort of city life at least

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growing up in that environment and then

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it's like oh there's cows and corn

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so it was a totally different experience

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um yes there are there were a lot of

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people who were involved with my family

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who were relatives who were

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you know almost like bystanders while

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the whole trial was going on and while

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what happened to me when i was you know

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in foster care then i was finally

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adopted and

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all these things but

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the thing that resonated

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was this person said

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i don't know anything about

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your

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um

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your adopted parents or that family but

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i can tell you in my very brief

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experience you were probably better off

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which is like whoa what

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you were really lucky i've heard so many

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horror stories about the foster care

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system

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and

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you know the fact that you went to a

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family that wanted to adopt you and

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you know ultimately they they've been

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there for you you know and you and it's

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so great

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when you talk about them and like over

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christmas when you went home you know to

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see them and

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you know i just some of the things that

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you say and do

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you can just tell that there is a very

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deep

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bond there

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and you know not everybody can say that

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and so i think that's great so kudos to

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your parents i think that's amazing

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yes absolutely and it is

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it

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and they were amazing and uh and i was

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very

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i was very fortunate because there are a

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lot of kids that go into the foster care

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system that don't have

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that sort of

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happy ending or no or i mean i don't

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know a happy ending but just even like a

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normal ending or just like yeah you're

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in a family and granted there was a lot

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of

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you know issues that we had to work

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through

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right

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they didn't no family is perfect no

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family's perfect i came with a lot of

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a lot of stuff that that i don't think

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anyone would have been prepared

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prepared for i know i wouldn't have been

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you had a few extra bags on top and just

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the community as a whole and just it's

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sort of like you took in this like kid

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right that everyone knows that was in

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the you know a lot of times when i'm

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telling people about it i feel

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especially like when i came to hollywood

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and i worked with people that like grew

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up in the entertainment industry right

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that were like child stars that were in

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films and television shows and they grew

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up in the public eye well i in a lot of

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ways even though it was a more of a

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brief time than being on a

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television series for years i was you

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know testified at the trial in the

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courtroom that was on television i was

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in all the newspapers everyone knew who

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i was everyone knew the story even if i

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didn't know them

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so

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a lot of that factored into my

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upbringing right

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and

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but anyways so back to what i was saying

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uh so this person reached out and i

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actually spoke to them and

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got

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first of all what i want to say is the

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the really amazing thing about being

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able to connect with people that

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were around before i was ever even

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conceived or born

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and

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that knew like my mother and my father

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and this was something that i thought

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was

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as i was talking to

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reaching out to some people who did

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agree to speak to me

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prior to making the documentary

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and did tell me about my mother i mean

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one of the things that i you know i know

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that i covered on another episode of the

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podcast was i

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never realized that my i knew my mother

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went to university of pennsylvania

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school of dentistry and became a dental

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hygienist what i did not know is that my

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mother

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supported my father

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so he could become a doctor so she was

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the breadwinner while he was in medical

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school while he was getting his

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undergrad she was the one who supported

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the family because

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my father never gave her credit for that

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and

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my

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uh of course not right because he's a

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narcissist and a sociopath but

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so when i discovered these things i was

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like wow

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and just to talk to this person and to

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have them echo those things

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that i knew about that i was that i've

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that i still am discovering about my mom

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and my family and to have those things

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echoed and to know that this was the

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type of person that my mother was and

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it's almost

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or

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her statement to me and and what was

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really really cool is that

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even though

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it was

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completely horrific to the family

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and

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without getting too much into it

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and i'm hoping that that they're going

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to be on the podcast because i've

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already talked to them about that and

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they they haven't said no so we'll see

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but

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what happened to have somebody from your

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family it would be amazing it would be

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amazing and i've you know

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uh even with their limited sort of

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interaction with my parents right

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but they also

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you know

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they said

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that everybody in philadelphia that have

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found out about this happening and that

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my father had murdered my mother they

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were horrified and that i was the one

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that

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was essentially

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was the one who went to the police

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and made sure that my father

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st you know was was held accountable and

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and and in the justice system and and

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testified against him and this that and

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the other but also

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as horrified as they were

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there was this segment of a lot of them

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that were

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when the documentary came out

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and

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and they had followed they then started

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following my life

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i think probably the biggest the coolest

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thing for me is to find out that

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they weren't surprised

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and when i say that i mean that

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they weren't surprised

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that i was like a guy that had his [ __ ]

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together

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despite all the stuff that happens and

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then i you know

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when i say the term have my [ __ ]

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together i mean

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like i have my i have my own set of

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flaws i am human just like everyone else

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but i think that

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the general consensus is for a lot of

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people that go through extreme trauma

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like myself a lot of times they fall

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apart you know it's just unfortunate and

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it it

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it just happens and

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um

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and

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when it came around when they were all

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watching the documentary or they saw the

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forensic files and then they saw the ted

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talk after the documentary and all these

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things that i did

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they were like well yeah and the and the

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reason why they were like well yeah of

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course he was

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is because that they all said because

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that's noreen's son

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so it was really amazing

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to hear

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that

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not only that they felt this way

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but that they they sort of were like

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well yeah of course he had it together

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because noreen had it together and this

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is her son

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like

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of course

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and so i think that when i get these

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when i talk to these people

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not having known them

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but just the things that they have to

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say about my mother

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is so amazing to me to because i'm still

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i don't you know my relationship with my

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mother

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in the at least in the physical world

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ended when i was 11 years old

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and

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i never got to know her as the person

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that she was

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as far as like an adult like i don't

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have an adult relationship and i did

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have

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for a child i had a very mature

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adult-ish relationship with my mother

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because of how she treated me

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but i never had that relationship as if

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i knew her now i could see the woman

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that she is or was right

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and

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to have these people come forward with

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these

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amazing stories of just

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of the person that my mother was and not

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only that the person that my mother was

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as a person but the person that my

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mother was to them

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even in their limited engagement with

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her

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is

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is [ __ ] beautiful

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is mind-blowing to me and it's it's

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definitely been one of the highlights

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the real highlights of doing this this

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type of

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of

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a thing

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of putting myself out there of putting

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the documentary out there of doing the

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podcast is when these people reach out

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they just

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they have such

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fond memories of my mother and such ways

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in which she graced them and

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it's really incredible

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so i love that

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it does that's a

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that's a powerful thing in a you know

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such a positive one and i'm glad that

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that's happening

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you know i'm glad that these people are

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reaching out and reconnecting or

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connecting for the first time so to

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speak and

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and it's like i have the you know and

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and this person has kids my age and so

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it's like i have all these cousins that

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i don't know of you know and it's

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yeah

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it's really exciting it's it's you know

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i i was talking to a friend of mine and

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and obviously when you are a documentary

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filmmaker and then you are a

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independent filmmaker

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you don't exactly choose this uh you

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know sometimes yes you hit the lottery

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and you and you

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you have tremendous financial and

18:32

creative success but a lot of times that

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is the life of an artist is a struggle

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and

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but the

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social dividends and the personal

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dividends that i've

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that

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i've been able to

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um

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accrue if you will from

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doing the doc doing the podcast

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connecting with people is just like it's

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just incredible it's

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you know and now this was a great idea

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wasn't it collier it was a great idea to

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join tick-tock yes

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tick-tock and doing the podcast yeah

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it's all it's it's fantastic and so

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thank you brenda for

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forcing my hand in that way

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um i'm glad we did this

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yeah but it's it's cool because it's

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it's like i'm always struggling you know

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i'm always trying to and there is a

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point to this whole episode this is just

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not me going to be blabbering on and on

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but i think that there really is

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a real

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value to

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someone putting yourself out there in

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these ways

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because for a very long time i held the

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belief in my heart that i was like all

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is lost

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i'll never be able to find out these

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answers to these questions that i want

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to know

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you know for me it started very

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fundamentally at the core which is why

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did my father murder my mother that's

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why i made a murder in mansfield that's

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why i went it's why i moved to

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los angeles in the first place was to

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literally be here to learn filmmaking to

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tell my story so my mother didn't die in

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vain so i didn't er so all these things

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would happen right but then

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it it evolves into this you know and you

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and you have these goals and you have

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these things of like a guy

20:22

first step is i want to get do this the

20:24

second step is i want to do this but i

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but it's really amazing when you start

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to just see it all unfold in ways that

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you didn't even imagine it was going to

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it's like now i'm learning all of these

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things about my family that i had no

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clue

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about

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some of them good some of them bad

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but

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i it's like this puzzle that i've been

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trying to put together

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for all these years he's here peace

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there

20:51

it's it's all coming together and it's

20:53

very cool

20:55

it is very cool it's very very cool

20:58

that's my big news that i wanted to

20:59

share

21:00

to share

21:02

which i know that i did really with you

21:04

but i didn't share with the audience

21:06

because i just you know i haven't had

21:07

the opportunity but it's um

21:09

so if you're listening to this podcast

21:11

or you're watching this on our youtube

21:13

channel

21:14

you know uh please

21:16

reach out

21:17

if you feel so inclined but i would love

21:19

to hear from you and and the crazy thing

21:21

was she left it with this cliffhanger

21:23

she said there's

21:24

more there's more people that want to

21:26

reach out to you there's more people

21:28

that want to talk to you like you have

21:30

these people that are here

21:32

and everybody i mean obviously like they

21:34

don't know me and they're like okay you

21:36

know like

21:38

they know what happened but they don't

21:41

it's a i i can't imagine it's a really

21:44

hard thing

21:45

to

21:46

to

21:47

reach out

21:49

and be like hey i'm really sorry about

21:51

this i'm a relative because then there's

21:52

also this sort of

21:54

guilt and shame thing that kind of comes

21:56

around with it where they feel like oh

21:58

well we should have reached out we

22:01

could have taken the kid in or whatever

22:03

that looks like for them and it's

22:06

i don't look at it that way i'm just

22:08

happy to hear from them i'm just happy

22:09

to know that they're out there and that

22:12

something i've done has impacted them

22:14

and

22:15

you know

22:16

anyways absolutely

22:18

now and it's you know everything

22:21

turned out the way it was supposed to so

22:24

you know

22:25

before you know time

22:27

has gotten away from everybody this is a

22:30

great time to reach out and reconnect

22:31

and

22:32

you know and i just hope that everybody

22:34

knows you don't have any hard feelings

22:36

against anyone

22:38

you know you're just happy to have those

22:40

connections out there and people who

22:43

you know want to get to know you now i

22:45

think that's great and

22:48

you know it's like

22:50

we talked about 23 in me and i found out

22:52

i had a brother that i didn't know about

22:54

exactly

22:56

that was amazing and i didn't care i

22:58

didn't care what the situation was i was

23:00

just so excited

23:01

that i still have to do the 23 i mean

23:04

23andme because i want to know

23:06

with my father's womanizing ways how

23:08

many other brothers and sisters i might

23:11

have in the world

23:14

yeah always a bad joke

23:17

guess who your dad is

23:19

yeah

23:20

i'm sure the manson kids when they do

23:22

their 23 and me are like yikes

23:26

i'm sure i mean it could be worse

23:28

it's

23:30

you know that is definitely a a thing to

23:32

there are you know children who are

23:34

who have grown up

23:37

knowing that their father or mother

23:39

or parent was a

23:41

someone who

23:42

took the life of someone else or

23:44

multiple

23:45

multiple people

23:47

and they sort of live under that shadow

23:49

and we of course you know this is

23:53

you know as i you know i spoke to

23:55

rebecca reisner

23:56

who's writing the book on forensic files

23:58

and we talked to you last month about

24:00

uh america's obsession with true crime

24:02

this kind of segues into something that

24:04

i wanted to to discuss

24:06

we were talking about earlier

24:08

which is you know there's this obsession

24:10

with

24:12

murder and and these crimes and

24:16

there's a program called what is it my

24:18

favorite murder

24:20

which just got signed to a big deal it's

24:21

undisclosed on amazon and you know

24:25

i understand that a lot of

24:28

these programs are very very interesting

24:30

to people and very very

24:32

you know they love hearing about all of

24:34

this

24:35

and these murders are serial killers and

24:37

stuff

24:39

and i feel like with this program

24:42

you know you're getting my my experience

24:45

as someone who's been through it who's

24:46

saying okay it's okay to talk about this

24:48

because we have to face these things

24:50

because we can't let them control us we

24:52

have to literally move past murder or

24:55

whatever these circumstances are

24:58

at the same time

24:59

i feel like there are a lot of these

25:01

programs that

25:03

i i i wouldn't say they're glorifying

25:06

they're not glorifying but they are very

25:07

obsessed with murders and when you say

25:10

like my favorite murder guess what guys

25:12

i'm going to tell you this there is no

25:14

favorite murder when your loved one get

25:16

is the one that gets murdered

25:18

it's not a favorite murder it's not a

25:20

favorite thing it's not a fun thing it's

25:21

not a let's see it's it's a legit thing

25:25

that

25:26

that [ __ ] destroys people's lives

25:28

you know yes i am fortunate enough that

25:31

i

25:33

landed in a spot

25:35

starting with my mother and how she

25:37

raised me

25:38

where i did not let it destroy my life

25:40

but i am definitely have i definitely

25:42

have my [ __ ] up isms because of what

25:45

happened to me

25:46

but there are people that have been

25:48

literally paralyzed by this so

25:51

one of the things that i want to get

25:52

into this program now there are many

25:54

people that i have on the slate to talk

25:56

to to interview is discussing really

25:58

delving into our obsession with true

26:01

crime and why is it so important

26:03

uh you know it's one thing if we're

26:05

looking into cold cases and we're trying

26:06

to find out who

26:08

who is who this is

26:11

who

26:12

who could have killed these people why

26:14

is this person missing and we're trying

26:15

to uncover and get leads and use social

26:18

media and all these things of the day

26:20

that are at our fingertips and at our

26:21

disposal it's another thing to look at

26:23

these crimes and almost glorify them

26:25

i i have this sort of issue with it a

26:28

lot of times i mean look brendan you're

26:29

a true crime fan what do you think

26:31

i am and i think that

26:35

i don't think anybody

26:39

likes true crime stories because they

26:42

like

26:43

seeing people murdered i don't think

26:45

anybody watches it for that i hope not

26:48

or listens um

26:50

i am a true crime fan because i like to

26:53

learn

26:54

about why things happen and how did it

26:57

get to that point was it a you know

27:00

crazy serial killer was it

27:02

crime of passion what you know what was

27:05

the situation and

27:07

more so you know the thought process

27:09

behind it all

27:10

um that

27:12

you know

27:13

is interesting to learn

27:15

and

27:17

the voices it always seems like the

27:19

voices that are involved in true crime

27:22

like on forensic files that's probably

27:24

my favorite narrator of all times sure

27:28

um

27:29

just an incredible voice that just kind

27:31

of is relaxing and it's like i need to

27:33

listen to forensic files so i can relax

27:35

but

27:36

but the content they're talking about

27:38

you know is a completely different story

27:40

um

27:41

but i think it's educational i think

27:43

that

27:44

women

27:46

and you know and men should watch these

27:48

things with their kids

27:50

and not to scare them but to show them

27:53

that you know the world is kind of a

27:55

scary place at times and you just need

27:58

to be very aware aware of your

28:00

surroundings listen to your parents

28:03

don't sneak around don't not tell them

28:06

where you're at because it always seems

28:09

like that's when

28:10

things go sideways and then they can't

28:13

help you

28:14

um you know the the people that care

28:16

about you the most that don't want you

28:19

to be hurt you know

28:21

teenagers always try to hide things from

28:24

and that's when

28:25

you know that's when a lot of them go

28:26

missing so you know i just think that

28:29

yeah there's so much to learn

28:32

and look i don't want to sound like i'm

28:33

bashing true crime because i'm not

28:35

at all i i

28:37

but what i am saying is is

28:40

and and you know what i could be way off

28:42

base here you know because i am looking

28:44

at this through a particular lens of

28:46

someone who has been through these

28:47

circumstances

28:49

and despite that being my unique voice

28:51

it is a biased voice i mean i'll just

28:53

get real i'm somebody who has dealt with

28:55

this and i am also somebody who

28:56

continues to deal with this with the

28:58

people that reach out to me via social

29:01

media um that have been through their

29:04

own challenging circumstances that

29:05

literally will see the documentary and

29:07

go

29:08

you know just to put it very bluntly man

29:10

i thought my life was [ __ ] up until i

29:12

saw yours

29:13

and which is fine like look i get it

29:17

my circumstances are completely

29:20

crazy and

29:21

but

29:22

and when i made a murder in mansfield it

29:25

was always my goal to

29:26

you know heal myself and impact one

29:28

other's life and then there's people

29:30

that reach out that say you know your

29:31

your film saved my life and there's

29:32

going to be somebody who young man we're

29:34

going to speak to on this program in the

29:35

next couple of weeks that that that

29:37

reached out and said that exact thing i

29:39

my father murdered my mother

29:41

i literally was contemplating suicide i

29:44

logged on amazon i saw your film it

29:46

changed my life and i'm still here three

29:48

years later and it's incredible when you

29:50

hear things like that it's unbelievable

29:52

and you know one of my friends alexis

29:54

link letter hosts uh the first degree

29:56

with billy jensen and jack van neck and

29:57

they have another series called

29:58

unraveled which i believe the new

30:00

episode airs tonight on this

30:02

investigation discovery you should check

30:03

it out it's called the stalkers web um

30:06

but

30:07

you know and

30:09

they tell these stories under the under

30:11

the guise of like we are trying to show

30:13

you that

30:14

also people can come through these

30:15

circumstances and that they are crazy

30:18

and and you know specifically with this

30:20

with the stalkers of like understanding

30:23

that that

30:24

people do this to people and it's a way

30:27

and it's a way that they bully and

30:29

control people

30:30

with stalking and this abusive behavior

30:33

even if it's online you're even if it's

30:35

from afar

30:37

uh one of the things that i was

30:39

discussing with this relative is my

30:41

father's continual

30:43

use of his letters to control some of my

30:46

other relatives that are that live in

30:48

fear of him and he's not even here and

30:50

and obviously a lot of people in their

30:52

justification be like why are they

30:53

afraid your father is in prison well

30:55

because

30:56

when you when you are a sociopath or a

30:59

psychopath you are still able to

31:01

manipulate and control your victims even

31:04

if you're not even in the same room same

31:06

state or

31:08

physically able to have to get on an

31:11

airplane with the threat that i'll see

31:13

in four hours when i land at lax

31:17

you know

31:18

they still

31:19

hold it and that's a lot of that's true

31:20

with people who are victims of sexual

31:22

assault which were you know i'm talking

31:24

to another guest of mine about the power

31:27

the power differential and why sexual

31:30

assault secure occur especially with

31:32

children and and adults and and the

31:35

power struggle of that and and it's a

31:38

power thing power versus sexual it's

31:40

it's a power

31:42

thing and look my father

31:44

was very guilty of that it destroyed my

31:45

family before the murder of

31:48

molesting my two cousins uh which he was

31:51

going to be arrested for a year before

31:54

he murdered my mother you know and

31:56

and that whole whole thing so

31:59

there are a lot of

32:01

things that fall under that that true

32:02

crime category that i believe

32:05

do open up these discussions

32:07

for sure definitely

32:09

but i guess you know i always say this

32:11

with the thing of like

32:12

you know

32:13

let's

32:15

always understand with a little bit of

32:17

empathy and understanding for the

32:20

victims and their families but also even

32:24

understanding the sickness that involves

32:26

some of these crimes

32:28

and approaching it from a you know

32:30

mental health is a big

32:33

very big

32:34

issue

32:35

in america right now and we see this and

32:38

you know i

32:39

you look on you know on the news and oh

32:41

crazy

32:42

homeless people everywhere a crazy

32:44

person oh they're drugs and this and

32:45

that

32:46

right yeah but some of these people are

32:48

on drugs because they can't get the help

32:51

they need so they turn to drugs to give

32:53

them the help that they need and then

32:54

they become drug addicts

32:57

you know it's a system that feeds itself

33:00

it's you know

33:01

what is it's uh circadian if you will so

33:05

not in a good way um

33:10

yeah anyways i digress

33:13

but you know

33:16

and i totally get where you're coming

33:17

from too and

33:18

i think that if everyone

33:21

that

33:23

you know that are doing podcasts and

33:24

that type of thing if they

33:26

do it from a place of providing

33:29

information and helping people

33:32

and not just you know the glorification

33:35

of these horrible things that happen

33:38

then that can be a really positive

33:40

experience and can help people and you

33:42

know and i think that if we all

33:44

you know try to take that responsibility

33:46

on to try to

33:48

be aware

33:49

of how we can help other people and that

33:52

other people are dealing with

33:54

horrible things every day

33:56

and just being a voice out here and

33:59

someone that will listen and that's who

34:01

you are you know you're that guy that

34:03

will listen that does care you know

34:06

you're not about oh look at me you know

34:08

i want to be famous kind of person

34:10

you're just not that person

34:12

um

34:13

and so if good people like you can take

34:15

their

34:17

negative experiences and help others

34:21

through hard times because of what

34:23

you've learned

34:25

you know i think that's an amazing gift

34:26

that you have to give

34:29

i'd like to think so

34:30

yeah

34:32

um i think so

34:34

yeah

34:36

i mean it's it's you know one of the

34:38

things that seems to impact a lot of

34:40

people on the program is when i read

34:42

like my father's letters

34:43

especially i was engaging with somebody

34:45

on instagram earlier today about

34:47

you know

34:49

they would listen to one of the episodes

34:50

when i'm reading the letters which i got

34:52

to delve in i got this whole box there's

34:53

like 500 of them here we got to really

34:56

delve into that a lot of times it just

34:57

turns into this like religious

35:00

jargon that this is you know nausea at

35:02

times but

35:03

one of the things that we um you know

35:06

uh

35:08

that people have really

35:10

gained a lot of insight from is when

35:11

they when i do read those letters and

35:13

they go god that sounds like my

35:16

ex-husband or my ex-wife or my father or

35:19

my uncle or my aunt or my mother

35:22

they

35:23

you know and especially again

35:25

like when i talk to people is that you

35:27

know we were in lockdown for like

35:30

a year and change with people that we

35:33

got to know really intimately

35:35

yes that you think you know somebody

35:38

but you have this reprieve and

35:41

you know where you can go off to work or

35:43

you can go see your friends and

35:44

associates go to the gym and get your

35:46

workout in

35:48

both sides too the the abuser and the

35:50

abusive person because then they get to

35:52

take their aggression out so then when

35:54

that happens or the kids can't go to

35:55

school so that's their only

35:57

respite they have to

35:59

be able to not have a hand of abuse in

36:03

their lives because they're at school

36:06

that was all taken away from a lot of

36:07

people and i think that we're going to

36:08

see more and more as we continue to come

36:10

out of the pandemic of people that are

36:12

really connecting with the these

36:15

you know

36:17

with things like gaslighting and

36:19

manipulation and psychological warfare

36:23

that um

36:24

you know a lot of us weren't aware of

36:26

i think

36:28

you know until you until it's like right

36:31

in your face i mean i was aware of it

36:32

because of my father but

36:35

not a lot of people are and then they

36:36

just kind of go am i going crazy and

36:38

then you know this woman was saying to

36:40

you know

36:41

today over

36:42

instagram like i thought i was going

36:44

crazy and i was like well no that's

36:45

gaslighting

36:47

you know she was relating to the um

36:49

she's like you know it wasn't until i

36:51

saw your documentary and then i saw um

36:55

dirty john but the latest one with uh

36:57

the betty broderick story where she was

36:59

just ghastly by the husband who was also

37:01

ironically a doctor i believe oh no he

37:03

was a lawyer was he a lawyer or a doctor

37:05

he was a lawyer

37:06

um and you know was it was this gas

37:10

lighting and you know this the very

37:12

essence of the

37:13

the film of the uh term comes from a

37:15

film called cast light

37:18

which is uh you know it's about uh yeah

37:21

you know people start to think they're

37:22

going crazy

37:24

because they're made to feel that way so

37:26

it's it's really nice to be able to shed

37:28

light on these topics um as they come

37:31

forward i guess i don't know i'm

37:32

probably rambling as i tend to do

37:35

well that was fantastic brenda and we

37:38

are now trying our new zoom setup which

37:39

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37:41

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