"Get Me Out of this Nightmare!" - Collier's father's letter manipulating him to help get out of prison.

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So he's saying all these nice things to me, which

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makes me feel like, oh, he's a dad.

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He really loves me.

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No, he's already established earlier the letter.

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I know I was good to you about mommy because everyone

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knows who this everyone is.

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I don't know.

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But then he starts telling me that I'm a good person, because

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this is like this buildup, they build you up so they can drop you.

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Right.

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Or they build you up so they could confuse you more because then.

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And I think probably around this time was, was when they were trying

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to get my mother's body exude.

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And, uh, I had to give DNA evidence because there was so much brought

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up and it wasn't my mother's body.

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So he's obviously trying to prop me up to do something for him.

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So let, so let's see if in this letter, cause I, again, I haven't read this in.

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Let's see if he's, if he's trying to set you up for an

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ask, let's see where the ask is.

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That's the morning continued today and the most notorious criminal

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trial in Richland county history.

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Dr.

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John Boyle is accused of killing his wife, Marine and burying

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her body in the basement of his new home in Erie, Pennsylvania.

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The 12 year old saw, finally took the stand and I heard a scream

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I heard was about this loud.

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We had the jury find the defendant guilty when I was 12.

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My testimony sent my father to prison for murdering my mother.

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This podcast serves as a type of therapy and reconciliation for

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myself, and it is my hope that it helps anyone who has experienced

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deception, betrayal, and dark trial.

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I'm Collier Landry and this is moving past murder.

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podcast moving past murder.

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So thank you very much.

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Wanted to give a shout out to.

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One of my people that has contacted me on social media.

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This is rayon Cubbins on Instagram and she is DMD to me.

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And she says this, to be honest, your father just makes me

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utter the words, what the fuck?

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Like it's hard to fathom someone that is that self observed and out

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of the touch that with reality.

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But if I didn't know someone like that personally, I wouldn't believe it.

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I know that you guys really like hearing the letters from my father.

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He has.

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From prison over the years.

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And today's episode is going to feature one of those letters.

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Now, as you guys may or may not know, I randomly pick these letters.

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So when I'm opening them and reading them, they are lit.

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I am literally looking at them for the first time, since, depending

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on when they're from, you know, sometimes almost 30 years ago.

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So it was kind of like a little trip down memory lane with me, but this week's

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episode and this week's letter is really.

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Interesting.

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Let's put it that way.

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A lot of you reach out and you're dealing with sociopathy, psychopathy,

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or just not good feelings about the people that are close around you.

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And you're wondering if you're feeling the same way.

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Well, I am here to tell you, look, I've done enough of this in my life, dealing

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with this man and dealing with my situation that, um, I really hope that

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what I share with you guys really helps.

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I think it does.

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So back by popular demand, Brenda, we have.

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Letters from my father, because everybody loves them from your father

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diary of a sociopath part three, or, I mean, we'll stop doing parts because

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why do parts it's doesn't matter.

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So here I have a bundle of letters, this one.

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Okay.

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So I, you know what?

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I could go by the dates on the ears.

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I don't even need to see the date.

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Cause I could see like how much like a us stamp was.

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Oh, wow.

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He says 25 cents.

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And I'm like, yeah, that was a while ago.

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But this one has this, this envelope has buddies on it.

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If everyone wants to see, yeah, this is buddy.

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So maybe this was an Easter and Easter sort of thing.

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And this was addressed to call your El Boyle.

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So that means that, uh, yeah, this wasn't her, this was an early one.

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This was an early.

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Trip back in the day.

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There's lots of 29 cent stamp ones.

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What are stamps now?

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I know you, I don't even know stamps for 55 cents.

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Really?

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I don't know anybody buy stamps.

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So anyways.

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Yeah.

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So we have these lovely buddy labels on here and then, oh,

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I'm going to need my glasses.

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This is really hard to, he is very faint.

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So this was when he was at Warsi war and correctional institution.

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Is in Lebanon higher, you know, it has been there forever.

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So I, I wouldn't say Warren cause there's war correctional institution in

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Warren, Ohio, and then there's Warren crystal Warsi, which is in Lebanon, Ohio.

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And that's where he was, which is down by like outside Cincinnati, I think.

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So let's see what this is.

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Oh, nothing.

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There's a letter in here it's just away just at time for BarkBath

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just to Todd for March badness.

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Everybody here is an NCAA final four bracket of my father's

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picks are highlighted in pink.

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So he sent you his face.

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Yeah.

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You sent me his NAACP.

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I'd always be all UCB NCAA.

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For the final four.

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So this is 19.

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Wow.

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This is 1991 NCAA division.

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One's beds basketball championship.

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So let's go with this one out of the envelope.

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This is dated Sunday morning, 6th of November, 1994.

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This is like a book though.

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See, this is the thing he would send these letters and you would type them.

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And they were like, it was like a, like a book.

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So this is Sunday morning, 6th of November, 1994.

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Dear son Collier.

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Well as anticipated, I received your last letter last night and was very thrilled to

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hear from you and to receive your photos.

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You are a very handsome young man and photograph very well.

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I am proud of your composure.

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Your mother would be very proud of you.

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Your mother would be very proud of you.

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Exclamation point.

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Hmm.

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So-and-so I won't mention this name.

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This is obviously somebody.

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I think I went to high to high school, like homecoming or something with

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so blank, blank, female individual seems like a very nice girl.

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And I am glad that you have a decent female friend in your life, so to speak.

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You will have years, perhaps a lifetime of beating and making new acquaintances.

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And that includes female friends, but I am glad there is some way

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that you can socialize with.

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I approve of her from her photo.

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Although I do not know her personally or her family, I'm certain that

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Georgia Susan keep an accurate eye on that exclamation point.

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I will, there's so much to unpack in just the first sentence, right?

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Just the first paragraph.

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There's so much.

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Your mother would be so proud of you if he hadn't killed her.

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Sure.

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There's that, but then there's the, the, the female.

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See, I really am trying to read this out without glasses.

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So how tired I am, but this is so for those of you that don't

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know, or they're just tuning it.

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So my father was a womanizer, like legit womanizer, multiple

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affairs, multiple girlfriends.

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Obviously the last girlfriend he had, he impregnated, I have a

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half sister who was born 12 days before my father was arrested.

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So just the fact that he's sitting here saying, I mean, aside from the fact

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that he says your mother would be very proud of you exclamation port point.

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Right.

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But you will have years.

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And then it puts in parentheses, perhaps a lifetime.

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Huh?

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Per per perhaps a lifetime maps.

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So, so of meeting and making new acquaintances, I've had includes

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female friends, but I am glad there is someone that you could socialize with.

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Huh?

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So is it, so when he says perhaps a lifetime, so what if I got buried

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in that during that lifetime?

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Would that be that I would continue to have acquaintances, like

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acquaintances, like female friend, like female friend acquaintance.

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Yeah,

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boy,

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it doesn't sound like he really valued women.

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Oh no.

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He was a total.

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Yeah, come on.

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I will try to answer some of your questions in your letter as best I can

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from the F from the font of experience that I have within myself, you will

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get straight answers for me, which I think are better for you to deal with.

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Hmm, I will get, you will get straight answers from me, which

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I feel are better to deal with.

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He

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hasn't given you straight answers.

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He has never given me straight answers.

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This is really, really funny, but not funny too.

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It's kind of dark.

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It's a dark twisted sense of humor.

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Hero movie pass murder today.

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Yes.

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I think your schoolwork sounds fine to me.

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In spite of the sea and chemistry, you are now aware that you must

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work very hard all of the time as a loss grade can swing on the final.

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I have had experience where I lost it a by one point on an exam, I then

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learned that I must work harder to make certain I have a good cushion of points

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to get the letter grades that I wanted or needed for professional school.

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This is a valuable lesson for you to remember, do not, do not be

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complacent, or it will bite you in the.

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Stay ahead of the envelope and you should do fine and not

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create anxieties for yourself.

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Remember anything, anything worth it will cost you in terms of time,

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personal life, relationships, et cetera, stop feeling sorry for yourself.

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For yourself.

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Only your family will care, care about you.

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Others will just use you for their own purposes, which is very interesting.

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'cause.

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I was just talking about certain individuals.

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Yes.

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You using me like to shoot their documentary for free and not paying me.

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I hope they're listening.

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Stay strong and positive in whatever endeavor you choose,

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be polite about things.

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Although you will see successful obnoxious people in your lifetime.

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I do not feel that it is a personal level of conduct that is acceptable to me.

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It was never acceptable to you.

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It should not be acceptable to you.

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Hmm.

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I mean, Hmm.

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My

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fault comment though, about biting you in the ass, because

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it's kind of funny because you're the one who bit him in the ass.

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Yes.

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Or don't be complacent.

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Yes.

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Because it will bite you.

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Yeah.

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So is he referring to you?

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Like he got complacent because he just thought that he was,

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he was smarter than the police.

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Therefore he could do where the hell.

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Well, hell he wasn't smarter than a 12 year old because,

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and the 12 year old, that should be a isn't that a, like a, a show

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yeah, something silly like that.

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So, yeah, this is, um, well, this is very interesting.

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I don't think a C in chemistry is that bad.

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I think I had a C in chemistry in high school as well.

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I'm almost wondering if like grades even matter, but anyways,

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let's continue because this is, I think, I feel like this is going to be a good one.

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It'll be a two-parter I'm sure.

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But like I agree on Bobby's friends, they were never friends from the get-go.

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It seems to me that they all, that all they did was take and use your

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mother for their own purposes.

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It also seems that Bobby unfortunately was duke.

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I am glad Shelley Boden still has contact with you.

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I am not at all surprised that the rest of mommy's acquaintances have vanished.

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Fair-weather friends, all, all my questions about the case.

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I understand your desire to forget things as they are painful, but I can

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assure you that they are just as painful.

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If not more, to be personally.

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They are questions that must be asked and answered.

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I know the answers to some of them as the investigation has turned

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up betting interesting things.

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I just need to know if you are aware of them.

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This is the logic that I'm utilizing with you.

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I mean, okay.

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There's just so much here.

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On the other hand, I am glad that you have happy memories at least that at least

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I was not that bad of a father to you.

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A.

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I know that I do.

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I was not a bad father.

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So do not worry about that.

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I did the right thing for you and mommy all the time, and

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everyone knows it all too.

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Well, Cherie still complains that I did everything for mommy

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and you and not enough for her.

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Wow.

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So for those of you who don't know, so Sherry was the girlfriend, the

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mistress that signed my mother's name on the documents to get the house.

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I found my mother's body where they

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buried her in the

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basement.

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Uh, yeah, but also, um, what is this like, what are, what are all these

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things that people are aware of?

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Like that's what a,

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the other thing that I really loved was

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how it was affecting him in.

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He was hurting so much more than everybody.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Let's go back to that.

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That, that line is great.

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Um, all my questions about the, here we go.

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Yeah.

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All my questions about the case.

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I understand your desire to forget things as they are painful, but I can

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assure you that they are just as painful.

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If not more, to be personally, there are questions that must be asked and answered.

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I know the answers to some of them as the investigation has turned

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up many, many interesting things.

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I just need to know if you are aware.

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This is the logic that I'm using with you utilizing with you.

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On the other hand, I am glad that you have happy memories.

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At least I wasn't that bad of a father to you.

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Hey, I know I was not a bad father, so do not worry about that.

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I did the right thing for you at bombing all the time, and

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everyone knows it all too.

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Well.

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Cherie still complains that I did everything for mommy and

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you, and not enough for her.

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She's still complaining.

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As, yeah.

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So this is Sunday, the 6th of November, 1994.

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So what I'm wondering is, is this like, are they still together or what, but who

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are these other people that know how good.

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He knows that he, I did the right thing for you and mommy all the time,

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and everyone knows it all too well.

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So who is everyone that knows this all too?

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Well.

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So imagine let's just unpack this.

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So I guess what I'm curious is, is, so is he trying to, I mean, I

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guess this is gaslighting, right?

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Or this is like a totally, where do they say, like coercive.

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Uh, CRO is coercive control where you, I think that like you

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spout your own narrative, right.

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You spent your own narrative and you ended up, so this is like, okay,

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so this is again something that like, because there's so many of you

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guys that reach out to me, right.

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And they're asking you that you guys love these letters because then we

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get to see these like amazing little tidbits that nobody ever gets to see.

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Right.

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So I think that, I think that here, the big takeaway is.

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Ellie, who are these people that know it all too well.

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And like he setting this narrative, like you don't need to tell because I already

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know that I was a great, wonderful person.

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I was always looking at, are you at you're at your mother?

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I was such a great father.

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Sherry was jealous of you guys because I did so much for you.

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What exactly was that abusing me?

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Bartering.

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My mother.

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Was that doing a lot for, for us?

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Was that like a good thing?

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I mean, this is just, but this is like this gaslighted curse of control, all

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these things that are just so insidious and that you're telling this to.

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So I was 1994, so I was, was I 16?

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I was 16, I guess I was 16, right?

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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What exactly was Sherry jealous of?

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Did she want to be buried in the basement?

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Exactly it was Sherri still could play that.

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I did everything for Bobby, with you and nada for her.

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It is important for you to realize you are a good person.

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You are, you have no need to hang your head in any shameful banner whatsoever.

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Not because of me or this case or your mother or your family.

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Understand.

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Don't let people talk you down.

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Don't let people talk you out of your dreams or your heritage.

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You are a strong and positive person with good genes.

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We are all proud of you.

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Who is we?

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Who are the, we are like the Royal.

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We like, this is the dude for the Royal.

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We, I mean, so we are all proud of you, so right.

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And here he is like, and this is what they do.

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So it's like the Stockholm syndrome.

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I, this is what I think at least, you know, you have your capture and

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they just beat you down so much, but then they, you know, your star for 10

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days, but then the other guy comes in and gets a good cop, bad cop thing.

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Right.

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They beat you down.

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Then somebody comes in with a plate of food.

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Lets you take a shower.

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Let's you use the toilet.

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And they're like, oh, and then they ask you questions.

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Oh, you're really good.

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You're this?

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It's this, it's this manipulation that this just like this, this CSO, what is it?

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W was it the teeter-totter you play on and see saucy song up and down.

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That's what it is worth.

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We, your emotions, you like teeter-totter with your emotions.

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So they're trying, they're telling you one thing and you're doing it.

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It's fucking crazy and it makes you crazy.

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That's the thing is, is because what he's doing is he's making, so he's

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saying all these nice things to me, which makes me feel like, oh, he's a dad.

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He really loves me.

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No, he's already established earlier the letter, like I was really good to you.

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I know I was a good father.

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You don't have to say that.

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I knew I was a good father for X amount of reasons that everyone's.

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I know I was good to you about me because everyone knows who this everyone is.

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I don't know.

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But then he starts telling me that I'm a good person, because

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this is like this buildup, they build you up so they can drop you.

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Right.

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And they build you up so they could confuse you more.

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Because then, and I think probably around this time was, was when they were

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trying to get my mother's body exude.

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Uh, I had to give DNA evidence because I was curious because there was so

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much brought up and it wasn't my mother's body and the eye color was

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different and her weight was different.

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And of course be in my sort of thing.

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And I remember my, my adoptive father, George taking me to this place in

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Medina, Ohio to this like, uh, you know, facility where I had to give blood

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for DNA tests to see if I am matched.

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And I just remember all.

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This happening.

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I think this is around this same time.

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It's gotta be around the same time.

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Cause it was around like this would be, I would have been like a junior in high

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school, so this would have been it.

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So I think that, um, so he's obviously trying to prop me

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up to do something for him.

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So let, so let's see if in this letter, cause I, again, I haven't read this

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and God knows how long let's see if he's, if he's trying to set me up for

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an ask, let's see where the ask is.

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Okay.

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Oh yep.

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Here we go.

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I just caught a little bit of something else.

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Yes, I am in prison.

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I am not in prison for a crime.

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I committed or had anything to do with I am here because I allowed my attorneys to

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conduct a trial in the manner they did.

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I did not know about the law.

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It was a great big act for Bayer, which was a, the prosecutor, James J.

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Mayer.

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And.

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Which is, which is my father's high power defense lawyer.

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He had a couple of them, but Whitney, Bob, Whitney, who is still practicing

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to this day is today is March 9th, 2022.

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And I believe he has.

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Practicing law at like age 84 and obviously very

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coherent and can practice law.

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It takes on like big capital murder cases and shit like that.

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He was representing a serial killer, uh, a few years ago when I made a

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burger and Manson, he was buried in it.

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Yeah.

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I mean, he's like a legit attorney.

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So back to this, he says, and mayor, so the prosecutor, Whitney and Henson,

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he is referring to judge James Henson, who was the judge of the trial.

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You must recall.

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There is no evidence against.

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As Tom ad gate tells me the playing field was not level for my trial.

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All had their own individual motives for riding my back to a victory.

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And it all seems to have centered on political advancement and money.

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I don't know who the, who this Tom ad gate is.

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I think this might've been his leg.

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So I think this might've been his appeal appellate attorney, which

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if you're trying to get a guy in a very, let's just call it what it is.

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Who has more of an agenda here?

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The prosecutor for the case, the defense attorney, the defendant by father, right?

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Who is a war.

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They competent, very successful defense attorney ad the judge that

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presided on the case or the guy who takes the appellate case to try to

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get the really famous murderer whose son testified against him at trial.

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And one of the largest cases in Ohio history out of prison.

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Who's the headline chaser, who could be the ambulance chaser.

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Now, look, I'm not trying to, like, this is not a, a, a, uh, an

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admonishment of Tom at gate and what he's doing, he obviously probably had.

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His reasons for taking it and whatever that is.

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And I'm not excoriating for, for him for this at all.

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What I am saying is that it's interesting because he's talking about people's

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agendas involved in this as if it's, you know, it's more blame shifting it's

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manipulation, it's gaslighting it's, it's, it's blaming the other people.

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It's everyone else's fault.

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But my father's nothing he did was wrong.

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Right.

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Of course.

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And here we go.

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It's Senator owns political.

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So just to finish the last day, and it all seems to have

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centered on political advancement.

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Then the next paragraph, I am innocent of the crimes for which I am convicted.

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I killed no one.

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I planned nothing to cause the disappearance or death of mommy.

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I don't even know if it is mommy.

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Okay.

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So this was around this time because there was all this hoopla about her not being.

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So this is, this makes sense.

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So

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she magically ended up in the basement of the house

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that he bought for his mistress.

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That was a brand new house.

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Right?

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Yes.

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Well, no people had lived there before, but they got out of the house and they

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must have planted her, but I don't know.

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Oh, they planted, she and said, Hey, even though when they left, she was still alive

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and with me, but I, I mean, I don't know.

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Oh, here we go.

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Does it seem peculiar to you that I was.

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And my medical experts were never able to examine the evidence against me.

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The body.

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Does it seem peculiar to you that in our system of government and

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laws, that the defendant was not able to confront the evidence again?

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This is the type of justice fostered by the small minds and Mansfield.

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So, okay.

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So Brenda, obviously we just last week released this episode with Deb Kirkland,

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who was talking about his experience in the gym, uh, Jim Williams trial,

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which is, was the foundation for, uh, the book midnight in the garden of good

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evil and the film by Clint Eastwood.

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And he was talking about, cause he wrote that book, lawyer games and talking about

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the games that lawyers play prosecutors, but most, most specifically defense

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attorneys and how defense attorneys.

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W it discovery are able to manipulate evidence and his

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specific example was placing photo.

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In and out of, out of numerical order or out of sequential order, they were

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shot and, and put them in a specific numerical order, which is used to

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convince the jury, which has used to confuse the jury and convince them

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of innocence or convinced them that there was some sort of malfeasance

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or shenanigans going on on the crime scene where things were moved around.

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Right.

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The purpose of photographing it at this particular thing was a chair at a belt

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buckle that was directly involved with the trajectory of a bullet that was

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fired through the person that was killed.

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Right.

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So my father is, is literally suggesting that he had no

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time to examine the evidence.

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Well, it's really hard to examine a body that has been buried.

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And I, it, he knows this because he's went to medical school, a

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bury the body that was decomposing for 25 days at a shallow grave.

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Yeah.

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So how, how does that happen?

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Right, Doug?

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Yeah, of course, like, what are you going to do?

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Get fingerprints off of it?

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Like, we, we, we know this and this was again, like one of the things I was,

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I wanted to talk about in that episode with, with debt, but it, I didn't,

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but it was like, there was a lot of circumstantial evidence with my father

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because there was no physical evidence.

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And that's why it ended up being, you know, now I know this as an adult, they

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didn't want to tell me this as a kid.

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Why am I testimony?

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Ended up being so necessary is because there was no blood, there were no fibers,

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but there was circumstantial evidence.

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You read it.

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The Jack hammer, you asked about lowering the basement floor of the house.

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You asked about, uh, you, you bought the tarp that she was

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buried in call your, saw that tar.

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Months previous, it was kept on the porch of the home.

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So all these things that were like running the jackhammer.

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Three days early.

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And, you know, I was just interviewed on the scary guy

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podcast, which will, this comes out.

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This episode will come out this Friday, March 11th.

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So what are your, you guys are watching, you're listening to this.

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You guys are just, so you don't want Monday the 14th.

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I will be on the scary guy podcast.

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They're a UK based cock podcast.

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Very cool.

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But they had just watched a murderer Mansfield and we got into this discussion

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about evidence and things of that.

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But talking about how it was all circumstantial and how, uh,

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this is what ultimately ended up getting my father convince.

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On top of my testimony, which was like pinpointed.

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And this gives us, it gives us the time.

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But again, my father, because they were, they were under the impression

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from the film that my father, that it was an act of a crime of passion.

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And he was saying how my mother came out of a knife.

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He pushed her at her head split and on the furniture.

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That's how she had the blunt force trauma that he put the plastic bag

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over her head, not to suffocate her.

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But because he didn't want to look at her face after she was already dead

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and he tried to perform CPR on it.

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They didn't understand that this was all premeditated.

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And look, the, the, the fill was not about a murder, even though

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it's called a murder in Mansfield is about the consequences of violence.

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Right.

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But I understand what they were saying, why they were saying this

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because they were like, well, but he seemed so convincing and I'm

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like, well, yeah, he's a sociopath.

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That's what they do.

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They're really good.

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They could give into that.

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The sky is pink.

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Like this shirts.

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That's how good they are.

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Anyone, everybody used car.

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Try that types of.

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That's how good these people are.

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They are so good at deceiving you and so good at manipulating you.

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So this is my father doing this to a then 600 year old kid

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who, whose mother he murdered.

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So he starts with saying, first of all, like you're a great kid.

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You look so handsome.

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I looked so proud of you, that it goes into, you know, your,

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I took really good care of you.

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Obviously you feel this way.

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Cause everybody knows it.

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I took care of your mother, even my girlfriend.

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I impregnated who signed the document for the house where I buried your mother, IE.

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She was jealous of you guys because I took such good care of you and I am committed.

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And then, and you don't, you agree?

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And you're a good person.

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Don't, don't let this bring you down cause I'm innocent.

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And then it goes into his whole thing on why he's innocent and it's all a

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calculated manipulation for a page wine.

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It's just it's the setup.

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And why, because like you said, at the end of the, at the beginning of the episode,

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he's got a lot of time on his hands.

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And what do you have a lot of time on your hands?

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Or did they say, uh, idle time is the devil's workshop not to

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keep using all these little.

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Yeah, webs from, you know, whatever, but like really it's, if there's a reason

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why people say these things, you can just sit there and spend the narrative.

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And this is what, so when I'm on this scary guy podcast, which

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you guys can listen to, it was like, your father is so good.

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You're so convinced.

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He's so convincing.

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And I'm like, well, yeah, that's, that's what they do.

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And you say the last thing you say to them, I believe that you believe that.

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And it was a bull.

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Yes, Gary, you have to understand that he's had 30, almost 30

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years to prepare this year.

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So, if you're sitting in your sleep, you could give us yourself everything.

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I could convince myself, you put me in a cage for long enough

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occupants, myself, the sky.

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And give it to you have it for sure.

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I mean, you're gonna, it's a coping mechanism.

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Forget like the sociopathy that narcissism, that this, that forget all

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of that at the fundamental core of all this shit is a coping mechanism, coping

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mechanism for me and a coping mechanism for him, for him to sort of come to grips

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with what he's done and then sell that new narrative that he wants to construct.

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Right.

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He sells it to himself so he could sell it to you because how could

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he give it to somebody if you don't believe the bullshit you're shilling.

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Right.

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Very true.

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I don't know.

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That's my opinion.

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Let's continue though.

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This is great.

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Okay.

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What you must do to prepare yourself for those who you see you as a target,

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um, if someone goes you into a fight and you respond, then you are low,

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you may be liable for a lawsuit.

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They will want you to where they will want a piece of your money.

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If you have a car and someone gets injured, they can Sue you or George above

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the level of insurance to get your money.

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Please do not be so stupid to think that there are nice people, advanced field who

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will not do something like that to you.

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Trust me.

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There are those at your school right now, who know, and they are

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waiting for their shot at you.

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Be cautious, not paranoid, but do not be stupid or naive.

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Now that's.

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Good advice.

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It is sort of way, but the whole reason that all this has happened is

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because you fucking murdered my mother.

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Right.

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And it is hard not to be paranoid.

Collier Landry: 00:31:12

And this is again, This is the, this part, this part of it had

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manipulation where it's like, he's like, trust me, you will go through

Collier Landry: 00:31:20

this because now he's pumped me up.

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And his dad tried to convince me of a narrative that is not, that doesn't

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exist, which he was really good to my mother and I, and was a really great

Collier Landry: 00:31:31

father and Sherry was jealous of it.

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So of course he was a great father then how he.

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I didn't get a fair trial is completely innocent.

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Then warning me that people are going to come after me.

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And then what does he do?

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He's setting himself up to be the savior for all of that.

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I'm your dad.

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I guarantee this is where this is going.

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I mean, it's already gone there anyways.

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Fantastic.

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Your dad here, looking out for you.

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I am not saying these things to make you crazy or anxious.

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I want you to be alert and not fooled.

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I do not make the mistakes, your mother and I.

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Yes, I always do.

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I want it to be a doctor.

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It was my wish.

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Even as a child, when I took care of birds and animals, et cetera, I had to work

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hard to get, to get to be a physician.

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I worked a full-time job as a computer operator, then a computer

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room supervisor at the hospital, the university of Pennsylvania, while

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I was a full-time undergraduate student, I worked from four to 12.

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PM to 12:30 AM, Monday through Friday and overtime as required.

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I did this while I was going to school.

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The daytime, I slept in the back of a car.

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During the day when possible, while waiting for classes, I did not go to

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the movies or football games or hardly anything else because I could not

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achieve my goals to be a physician.

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If I did this other things, my parents could not pay for my education.

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I had to earn it the hard way, no free rides.

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I am not complaining to you.

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I want you to understand that if you want something bad enough, you

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will work very hard for it as I did.

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Well, no shit.

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Well, the apple doesn't fall hard from the tree far from the tree on that one.

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That's for sure.

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It is, it is that same attitude about this conviction that causes

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me to continue the fight for my innocence, Tom ad gait and his crew.

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Believe in me, the Akron beacon journal believes in me, Ted joy

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believes in me, he's a reporter for the Akron beacon journal.

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There are countless others who believe in my innocence, but regardless.

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I must fight for my freedom.

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I must fight now as I did to get my education and my goals as a physician.

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So it's very,

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and how can these people believe in his innocence when the body

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of your mother was found in the basement of the house he bought for his mistress

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and the world would believe that,

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but we don't get into that because that's not important.

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Yeah, of course.

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It's facts.

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Not important.

Collier Landry: 00:33:54

I mean, it's just, yeah.

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So then he goes on, you are your own man, no problems with that.

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That is what your mother and I would want to see, but we also

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want to see some guidelines about your life and career plans.

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There they are the pitfalls that mommy and I encountered work hard.

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It be cautious trust, no one exclamation point.

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Excellent.

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I am not being cynical about trust.

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You just do not wander down the road, like little red riding hood

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and have the Wolf jump out at you understand be cautious and alert.

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It looks like the Wolf is jumping out at me right now.

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The Wolf was jumping out right here.

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This letter, this is the Wolf because the Wolf wants me to reset my testimony.

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So he'd get out of prison.

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That's what the Wolf wants.

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Right.

Brenda Fisher: 00:34:40

And he's.

Brenda Fisher: 00:34:43

The whole time,

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35 years.

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Well, yeah, well now he's one of that for 30, but this is, you know, at

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this point he was about four years in, oh boy, you can be anything.

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You want to be anything.

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It is up to you.

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I can only guide you and pray for you.

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You must draw from the inner strength that is in your blood.

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You can do.

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Concentrate be faithful to your heritage.

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You will not lose.

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I personally would have liked to have had you raised under uncle Charlie's

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rough, but that is passed now.

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So Ogle, Charlie is my uncle Charlie.

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My uncle Charles is my father's brother.

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He was best friends with my mother.

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And when all this happened, he abandoned me just like the rest of my family.

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Just know that, huh?

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Still to this day, March 9th, 2022.

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Doesn't talk.

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When I called him during COVID to make sure he was okay.

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And then I asked him, I think I was like half in the bag.

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I called him again, like a couple of days later it was COVID and

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everybody's getting wasted.

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And I called him and I asked him, you like, you know, why

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didn't you take me in what age?

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Why aren't you in my life?

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Why can't you be in my life now?

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Why don't you ever pick up the fucking phone and call me man?

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Like what, what is wrong with you?

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I'm your godson?

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You said you would protect me.

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You never did right.

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Nothing Sylvan heard from him two years later.

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Every time I communicate with that, man, it's always be doing

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something it's exhausting.

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It's exhausting.

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The last time I heard from him, like he did, he actually initiated

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contact with me was in 2010.

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So this is 12 years ago when my father was up for parole and he

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wanted me to put together money.

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To send to my father like five or $10,000 or $20,000 or $30,000 to send

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to my father to pay for my father's lawyer so he could get paroled.

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I had, I don't think I had $25, literally $25,000.

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So why didn't he do?

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I was a starving artist.

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He claimed that he has plenty of money.

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I'm sure he works for the government that he couldn't do it

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because he's in the government.

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He is in the Navy.

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They would find out they would trace it.

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I'm like, no, like that's not true.

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You probably don't want to, but you feel compelled to ask me to do it.

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I mean, it's so insane.

Collier Landry: 00:36:54

Like the insidious insane nature of all of this is just it just,

Brenda Fisher: 00:37:01

Hmm.

Brenda Fisher: 00:37:02

Thanks uncle.

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It's never underestimate the predictability of someone with

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a fundamental lack of integrity.

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I said this to somebody the other day, some of the anxieties you are

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now experiencing might have a bit avoided or more easily answered, but

Collier Landry: 00:37:17

the Ziglars are, are good people.

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And I have no compunctions about their care or love or, or love for you.

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I am thankful they have been so generous to you.

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Perhaps you could take your first year of school at OSU Mansfield.

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Going away to college is not always the answer or answer in particular.

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If you do not have the focus, you need to concentrate on schoolwork and goals.

Collier Landry: 00:37:42

Sometimes that is, that is better achieved what you are living at home,

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like going to school at OSU Mansfield for a year, then transferring to another

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school after that, when you are more comfortable, could transfer to main

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campus after that, or after the local experience and not lose anything, please.

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Pardon this?

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And he's typing on a typewriter, by the way, I can tell, first of all,

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dude, you don't know what it's like, first of all, dude, because of the

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destruction of the craziest and the crazy shit you did, you have no idea

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what it's like, as you say this letter, I have nothing to be ashamed of.

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You have no idea what it's like to live in the shadow of a fucking murderer.

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Let alone like the most famous one in your state at the time and be the one

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who testified, you know, you've no idea what my fucking life is like, bro.

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Like I could not wait.

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Out of Mansfield when I was eight, I could not wait.

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I mean, I see it Ohio, as long as I could until I was 20.

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That's it?

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You know, sorry.

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I mean, Again, so this is a fresh start at population gas letting it oh, of course.

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Yeah, but this is again, manipulation.

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Gaslighting, not understanding, no compassion, no empathy.

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Cause he's associate path of not understanding that.

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I'm sorry.

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Like this is a great time to insert the narrative of, Hey, I'm sorry that

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your life is so fucked because of what I did and that you feel like you need

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to run away from the community that raised you or you feel that you need to.

Collier Landry: 00:39:06

Leave the Nass because your judge or people look at you funny, or people don't

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treat you well, or they don't treat you well because of the shit that I did.

Collier Landry: 00:39:16

No, there's no accountability.

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There's no responsibility.

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There's none of that.

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It's absurd.

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It's absurd.

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These letters are just crazy, but I'm hoping that you guys are

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really gleaning some insight here because this is typical stuff.

Collier Landry: 00:39:30

So he says it is more than is more my anxieties that are trying to guide

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you rather than any frustrations you might have, but that's what they say.

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That parents try to relive their lives through their children.

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Guess what I want for guess?

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What I want for you is not is, is to not have the same sorrows and

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fears that I had when I was young.

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Which is only natural, the same sorrows and fears.

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Dale, you just made sure that my SAR and fears were like

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fucking 5 million times worse.

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Sorrow is not having my family, my mother have a safe place to live.

Collier Landry: 00:40:01

Like, what is it?

Collier Landry: 00:40:02

Foster care is orphaned.

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You fucking.

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And if you guys are, I'm not angry.

Collier Landry: 00:40:07

So I don't mean to be yelling.

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I'm not, and I'm annoyed and I'm just very passionate about this.

Collier Landry: 00:40:11

Cause this is just like, this is just bullshit.

Collier Landry: 00:40:13

It's just like what you read this stuff and you start to confront these

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people and you start to recognize these things for what they are like, you're

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going to like, this is what you see.

Collier Landry: 00:40:19

And then you get really aggravated by it and you're just like, and then you start

Collier Landry: 00:40:22

to, you know, when you're me right now and you're starting, I mean, I'm sure

Collier Landry: 00:40:25

Brenda, you feel the same way, right?

Collier Landry: 00:40:27

You are now starting.

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I'm now starting to go, you know, Like realize that you're saying this to

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like a 16 year old kid who forget like the F you know, the anxiety and stuff.

Collier Landry: 00:40:42

Like I'm also going through puberty and girls and driving.

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I wasn't allowed to have a car at that time.

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And I was working and going to school and figure out what my life was.

Collier Landry: 00:40:52

Right.

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Like there's a lot, there's a lot going on in my life.

Collier Landry: 00:40:58

Yeah, it's a lot.

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It's not just my role a lot.

Collier Landry: 00:41:01

There's a lot that goes on in any teenager's world, girl, boy, whatever.

Collier Landry: 00:41:06

There's a lot going on.

Collier Landry: 00:41:07

You're going through these bodies, these, you know, ages and hormones

Collier Landry: 00:41:11

and everything, and shit gets wacky and your that's already

Collier Landry: 00:41:14

enough to cause enough anxiety, let alone all this other bullshit.

Collier Landry: 00:41:17

You know, it's just, it's so insane.

Collier Landry: 00:41:20

And it's just a very simple way of just like, oh, you know, I don't want you to.

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On my clothing, they are yours.

Collier Landry: 00:41:26

Tell George and Susan, they, then you call Sherry and tell her I have

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already written her about this.

Collier Landry: 00:41:34

Chrissy will keep some things, but will not be keeping my clothing.

Collier Landry: 00:41:38

If you want the clothes, then ask, no one will bite your head off asks.

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I don't think Chrissy can wear my sweaters and ski stuff, et cetera.

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You can plus you can have all the great ties and that I had for so long.

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I want you to have the clothes.

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Did you ever do that?

Collier Landry: 00:41:55

I do have his clothes.

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I do have some of his ties still, I think.

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Or maybe I got rid of him.

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I don't know.

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I D I don't know.

Collier Landry: 00:42:01

I don't wear ties.

Collier Landry: 00:42:02

I don't think I've worked.

Collier Landry: 00:42:03

I honestly don't think I have worn a tie and almost 20 years.

Brenda Fisher: 00:42:08

Yeah.

Brenda Fisher: 00:42:09

I haven't never seen you in one.

Brenda Fisher: 00:42:10

Thank

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God.

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Yep.

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It's a cost.

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But that's a matter of like Jedi, when it wears ties and

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suits and ties to the office.

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I can bet you I'm a GS a t-shirt cool.

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Look at Nike's guy.

Collier Landry: 00:42:26

Call Sherry or Charlotte.

Collier Landry: 00:42:27

Charlotte was her mother and asks to talk to your sister with your sister.

Collier Landry: 00:42:32

Chrissy asked them to allow a visit for you both to get a McDonald's

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or pizza or something together.

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If you do not ask them, then it is interpreted that you do not care and that

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you do not want contact with Chrissy.

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Do not allow that to happen to you.

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I want my children to love each other and to be with each other,

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not as strange from each other.

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But the bottom line is that you must ask and bake and must be persistent when you

Collier Landry: 00:42:57

do not do this, people might interpret it as a lack of caring on your part.

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And I know that that is not the question that is not you.

Collier Landry: 00:43:05

I know you are caring and feeling individual.

Collier Landry: 00:43:07

I know that only that only so.

Collier Landry: 00:43:11

So what's interesting is I did get to see Chrissy a few times when I was younger.

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And, um, and we, uh, and Georgia Susan were by my doctor.

Collier Landry: 00:43:20

Parents were very, very good about this.

Collier Landry: 00:43:21

And, uh, it really tried to forge a relationship specifically,

Collier Landry: 00:43:24

even though I didn't like it.

Collier Landry: 00:43:25

I didn't want to see Sherry.

Collier Landry: 00:43:26

They were like, we want you to have a relationship with your sister, if we can

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try to make this happen, which they did.

Collier Landry: 00:43:31

I mean, they were great about it.

Collier Landry: 00:43:32

Um, so nobody needed to force them to do that.

Collier Landry: 00:43:34

You know?

Collier Landry: 00:43:35

Um, wha what is interesting is, um, The part where he says, you know, I

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don't want you guys to be a strange, well, probably the best way for them to

Collier Landry: 00:43:44

not to be as strange is, I don't know.

Collier Landry: 00:43:46

You could have just divorced my mother and married Sherry and had her.

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And then we wouldn't be as strange.

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He didn't have to kill my mother and put us all through this fucking circus.

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Like again, your did not.

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He's so disconnected from reality that he doesn't understand, or he

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does understand he he's ignoring.

Collier Landry: 00:44:01

The fact is probably the true, the truth, all this, probably the fact that you put

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us through so much fucking bullshit, man.

Collier Landry: 00:44:08

That we, that we didn't like how we're lucky we talk, like we're lucky, w we're

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we're functioning and able to do this.

Collier Landry: 00:44:16

We're like run out, call court up in the corner, holding a call, like it's.

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So

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he just acts like, oh, it's just another day.

Brenda Fisher: 00:44:26

And it's just

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the sky is pig.

Collier Landry: 00:44:31

The ocean is, is yellow.

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And you know, and the snow is green.

Brenda Fisher: 00:44:35

It's he, he acts like he's just out of town.

Collier Landry: 00:44:38

He's just out of town.

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He's just taking a moment like he did go to, so he's at camp.

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I will be very anxious to see you again.

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It has been too long.

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I do not want to be separated from my children.

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I miss you very much.

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I miss Chrissy very much.

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Although I write to both of you and send you both pictures of myself,

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I want to see my children someday.

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You will understand this.

Collier Landry: 00:45:01

My fight for freedom is it is as much about my children as it is for my.

Collier Landry: 00:45:06

I can not allow either of you to be stigmatized by the

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unjust and illegal conviction.

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I will not allow that to occur.

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So he does understand.

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So he, that he does say that we're stigmatized because he started the letter

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saying that there was no stigma, that there was nothing to be ashamed of and

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this, that, and the other, but that he say, I don't want you to be synchrotized

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which recognized that we are stigmatized.

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So you're just completely contradicting yourself from two pages ago, brother,

Brenda Fisher: 00:45:33

but you're stigmatized by the unjust, any

Brenda Fisher: 00:45:36

legal Nash of what happened to him?

Brenda Fisher: 00:45:41

Yeah.

Brenda Fisher: 00:45:41

Like it's, it's all happening to him.

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Anyhow, I am looking forward to seeing you hugging you,

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kissing you and see what a fine young man you have grown into.

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In spite of all the troubles, this quote unquote nightmare has brought us all.

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I will arrange for pictures short notice, but I might be able to pull it off.

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Remember be courteous and diplomatic and cooperative, but not walked

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over with people more will be accomplished with honey rather than.

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You're a good porous person.

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You are normal.

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I am very proud of.

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You never forget that.

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Also never forget that.

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I love you very much bundles and bundles, and I always shall see you this Friday.

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Can't wait.

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You're always in my prayers and thoughts.

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Keep me in yours.

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Love X, X, X.

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Oh, oh daddy.

Brenda Fisher: 00:46:30

How often did you go?

Collier Landry: 00:46:33

Not that often when I was like a kid, really, I didn't

Collier Landry: 00:46:36

really start visiting him until I went to Ohio university school of music.

Collier Landry: 00:46:42

Um, and he was at Lucasville president, which those of you that are from

Collier Landry: 00:46:47

Ohio, remember Lucasville those of you that don't probably remember.

Collier Landry: 00:46:50

Lucasville because that was the prison that the inmates took over and.

Collier Landry: 00:46:54

President bill Clinton had to send it like the national guard and all this.

Collier Landry: 00:46:57

And was it well, yeah, because Bush was out of office, pussy was out of

Collier Landry: 00:47:01

office, so yeah, it was a whole thing.

Collier Landry: 00:47:03

The prisoners took over.

Collier Landry: 00:47:04

It was really a unique experience and terrifying for the prison guards,

Collier Landry: 00:47:07

because I don't know if, a lot of, obviously those of you that watch.

Collier Landry: 00:47:12

You guys, aren't going to know anything about prison.

Collier Landry: 00:47:14

I at least I hope not, but like in prison there'll be 2000 or let's

Collier Landry: 00:47:18

say 3000 inmates in a prison, which is there's more than that.

Collier Landry: 00:47:21

But let's just say there's, let's just say there's 3000.

Collier Landry: 00:47:25

There's usually like one prison guard per like 50 or 60 or 45 or something.

Collier Landry: 00:47:32

So when you figure and w and the thing that keeps much, like probably.

Collier Landry: 00:47:38

Clear and not to be conspiracy.

Collier Landry: 00:47:39

There is, but like the thing that keeps prisons from necessarily being like

Collier Landry: 00:47:43

overrun or, or people, because you say, okay, so it's, it's basically 45 to one

Collier Landry: 00:47:48

is what you're telling me, you know?

Collier Landry: 00:47:50

And the thing is, is.

Collier Landry: 00:47:52

And prisons, the, the way that they control is they love

Collier Landry: 00:47:56

their control itself, right?

Collier Landry: 00:47:57

So you have people that are, that are black.

Collier Landry: 00:47:59

You have people that are white, you have people that are Mexican.

Collier Landry: 00:48:02

You have people that are Asian.

Collier Landry: 00:48:04

You have people that are black, but they're Muslim.

Collier Landry: 00:48:07

You have people that are white, but they're areas right.

Collier Landry: 00:48:10

Nazis.

Collier Landry: 00:48:11

And then you have them, they all form.

Collier Landry: 00:48:13

Factions inside of the prison.

Collier Landry: 00:48:15

Right.

Collier Landry: 00:48:16

But what, so what happened with specifically with Lucasville is the

Collier Landry: 00:48:20

Muslims and the blacks partnered together and the whites and the Ariens

Collier Landry: 00:48:25

partnered together and they came together and they said, look around bro.

Collier Landry: 00:48:30

Like there's, there's, there's 45 of us to one of them.

Collier Landry: 00:48:35

We can take this motherfucker over.

Collier Landry: 00:48:36

And they did for like 11 days or 12 days.

Collier Landry: 00:48:39

And when I went to visit him when he was in Lucasville, that was one of the

Collier Landry: 00:48:43

scariest prisons I've ever been in, because I remember like going in and

Collier Landry: 00:48:46

there was this long, like long, scary corridor when you had to go through

Collier Landry: 00:48:52

to get in, it was like really creepy.

Collier Landry: 00:48:54

It was like you were going into a bunker.

Collier Landry: 00:48:55

It was a very.

Collier Landry: 00:48:58

And knowing would it just would have just happened there at the time?

Collier Landry: 00:49:01

Um, cause it happened, I think in 1983, B was 94, but, um, it was pretty scary.

Collier Landry: 00:49:09

Um, but yeah, uh, that's, that's when I would see him more regularly,

Collier Landry: 00:49:13

I think it was like maybe twice a month because it was not far

Collier Landry: 00:49:16

from where I was going to school.

Collier Landry: 00:49:18

Gotcha.

Collier Landry: 00:49:18

Um, and that's when I was sort of laying the whole thing's event.

Collier Landry: 00:49:22

He and I had a, he, we, he had a massive following.

Collier Landry: 00:49:26

He sent me this letter, which I'm sure I'll find one of these days where he

Collier Landry: 00:49:29

said something that I said something about my mother to my uncle, Charles.

Collier Landry: 00:49:32

And don't talk about your mother that way.

Collier Landry: 00:49:34

That's disrespectful.

Collier Landry: 00:49:35

And I was like, oh dude, you're crazy.

Collier Landry: 00:49:36

And I was like, I can't talk to you.

Collier Landry: 00:49:37

And I don't think I spoke to him for years and years.

Collier Landry: 00:49:39

I moved out to California.

Collier Landry: 00:49:40

I was like, no, I'm done.

Collier Landry: 00:49:41

And you would never send

Brenda Fisher: 00:49:42

anything.

Collier Landry: 00:49:43

Of course, of course on it.

Collier Landry: 00:49:45

It was as big as my uncle.

Collier Landry: 00:49:46

I wasn't as big of a, but was so ridiculous, but it was a lot to digest.

Collier Landry: 00:49:51

Yeah, I'm sure I've obviously.

Collier Landry: 00:49:55

That was a lot.

Collier Landry: 00:49:56

I mean, I'm sure you could glean things too.

Collier Landry: 00:49:58

Like for those of you that just listened to this, I'm sure.

Collier Landry: 00:50:00

You're like, well, but he said these nice things about uni

Collier Landry: 00:50:02

clothes with this nice thing.

Collier Landry: 00:50:03

Yes that's and I'll take those things.

Collier Landry: 00:50:06

Sure.

Collier Landry: 00:50:08

But there's all, it's all part of the manipulation and control.

Collier Landry: 00:50:12

And he was saying this to a 16 year old kid whose mother you murdered four and

Collier Landry: 00:50:16

a half years, almost five years before that, literally five years before that.

Collier Landry: 00:50:19

Cause this is November of 1994, December 31st, 19.

Collier Landry: 00:50:23

You're like five years before that he murdered five years ago from writing

Collier Landry: 00:50:28

this letter, you were premeditated the burger of his, of this guy's mother,

Collier Landry: 00:50:32

your wife, while your girlfriend was.

Collier Landry: 00:50:36

It's insane when you start to think about it in a context of what it really is.

Collier Landry: 00:50:40

Right, right.

Collier Landry: 00:50:41

But that's why I read these letters for you guys, because I want you

Collier Landry: 00:50:44

guys to see, and I know that you guys asked for this cause you're in these

Collier Landry: 00:50:47

relationships and you're discovering that, oh my God, this shit is crazy.

Collier Landry: 00:50:51

Cause it is crazy.

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And that's why I do this.

Collier Landry: 00:50:54

So you guys can literally listen and say, oh my God, like what is going on?

Collier Landry: 00:51:00

Or.

Collier Landry: 00:51:02

How do I deal with this?

Collier Landry: 00:51:03

And hopefully my insight, you know, you guys can learn from this because I've

Collier Landry: 00:51:07

already gone through all this shit.

Collier Landry: 00:51:08

Like you guys, you guys don't need to go through this shit because

Collier Landry: 00:51:11

I've already been so, so take, take my life and use it, you know?

Collier Landry: 00:51:16

Um, I'm happy for it.

Collier Landry: 00:51:18

I can take it.

Collier Landry: 00:51:20

This people do this.

Collier Landry: 00:51:22

This is how you manipulate.

Collier Landry: 00:51:23

You control someone.

Collier Landry: 00:51:25

We're seeing it with a whole population, right?

Collier Landry: 00:51:27

And over a Europe, how people are being manipulated.

Collier Landry: 00:51:30

They don't even think a war is happening.

Collier Landry: 00:51:32

It's insane.

Collier Landry: 00:51:33

Um, this is it on a very microcosmic scale, but it

Collier Landry: 00:51:40

doesn't make it any different.

Collier Landry: 00:51:41

It's all the same principles of control and manipulate.

Collier Landry: 00:51:45

And it's good to learn from these things.

Collier Landry: 00:51:47

So we'll rent it.

Collier Landry: 00:51:48

Do you feel, do you feel, you have learned more about diary

Collier Landry: 00:51:53

of a sociopath part 487,938?

Brenda Fisher: 00:51:58

Yeah, they've just, and I know you've got a gazillion

Brenda Fisher: 00:52:03

letters from him and, and it seems like they all kind of have a theme

Brenda Fisher: 00:52:08

every time that you breed one.

Brenda Fisher: 00:52:10

So it's interesting his take on the world.

Collier Landry: 00:52:16

And very convenient too, especially just, yeah, but

Collier Landry: 00:52:19

he's just completely glazes over or gloss over the fact that you

Collier Landry: 00:52:25

created this, this nightmare.

Collier Landry: 00:52:27

Like when he leaves the, the letter saying that this nightmare for

Collier Landry: 00:52:31

all of us, no, the nightmare dude, the nightmare was created by you.

Collier Landry: 00:52:35

You created the nightmare, all of this nightmare, uh, all of this nightmare.

Collier Landry: 00:52:43

You know this whole, I mean, again, this is the line I am looking forward

Collier Landry: 00:52:48

to, to see you hugging you really in spite of all the troubles, this and,

Collier Landry: 00:52:53

and see what a fine young man you've grown into in spite of all the troubles,

Collier Landry: 00:52:56

this nightmare has brought us all.

Collier Landry: 00:52:58

Well, I'm confident to say that I did grow into a fine young man, despite

Collier Landry: 00:53:02

the nightmare that you fucking created.

Collier Landry: 00:53:08

Mic drop on that one.

Collier Landry: 00:53:12

I recorded this episode last night and I had a really hard time sleeping

Collier Landry: 00:53:17

because I think that as much as I, as much as I enjoy sharing this

Collier Landry: 00:53:25

stuff with you guys, it is my life.

Collier Landry: 00:53:27

And it is, it's really sad to me in a lot of ways.

Collier Landry: 00:53:32

That people behave like this.

Collier Landry: 00:53:33

Especially my father having written this to a, then what was a 15 year old

Collier Landry: 00:53:39

child, 16 year old child who his son, whose mother he murdered and the things

Collier Landry: 00:53:44

that he's relating in the letters.

Collier Landry: 00:53:45

And he's say talking about relationships with women, which

Collier Landry: 00:53:48

he was a chronic womanizer.

Collier Landry: 00:53:50

A horrible person.

Collier Landry: 00:53:52

Uh, and he's giving me lessons about having these lifetime

Collier Landry: 00:53:55

relationships and things.

Collier Landry: 00:53:56

It's all just really weird.

Collier Landry: 00:53:58

And that part of me was trying to reconcile what the fact that, what

Collier Landry: 00:54:01

is he trying to have this little bit?

Collier Landry: 00:54:03

Because honestly, like at the end of the day, he is my father and I

Collier Landry: 00:54:06

don't want to believe that he's a horrible person despite evidence to

Collier Landry: 00:54:10

the contrary, but I do really want to.

Collier Landry: 00:54:14

You know, and look, I'm saying this, I'm saying this for you guys, because I'm sure

Collier Landry: 00:54:18

you guys have situations like this in your lives, where you're dealing with people

Collier Landry: 00:54:23

and you are trying to make sense of it.

Collier Landry: 00:54:25

And it's okay to be confused by it.

Collier Landry: 00:54:27

That's really all I'm saying because I was, and I feel when I read these

Collier Landry: 00:54:31

letters, you know, I want to have that moment where, oh, is my father giving me

Collier Landry: 00:54:34

advice and should I take this as fatherly advice and, and reading it, you know,

Collier Landry: 00:54:38

25 plus years later, 27 years later.

Collier Landry: 00:54:43

I do feel like that.

Collier Landry: 00:54:44

Oh, he was reaching out to me because their manipulation is so

Collier Landry: 00:54:47

insidious, but that's the whole thing.

Collier Landry: 00:54:49

And it's, it's so key to recognize this, but it doesn't.

Collier Landry: 00:54:53

Any less painful or any less heartbreaking that people do this when I'm reading

Collier Landry: 00:54:57

the letter, I can't help, but think is he really writing it to me?

Collier Landry: 00:55:01

Or is he writing it to someone else?

Collier Landry: 00:55:04

Because it feels like he's trying to take this position of like, if someone

Collier Landry: 00:55:07

reads this, I mean, obviously we didn't know podcasting was going to happen 30

Collier Landry: 00:55:11

years ago, but, um, it feels like he was writing it for a greater audience.

Collier Landry: 00:55:15

And I'm thinking, was he thinking I was going to share that with

Collier Landry: 00:55:17

the parole board or with attorneys to help him get out of prison.

Collier Landry: 00:55:21

It's really.

Collier Landry: 00:55:23

Kind of an insidious sort of thing that lies underneath

Collier Landry: 00:55:26

the lies far beyond the text.

Collier Landry: 00:55:29

Anyways, that is what I think, but I want to hear what you guys think,

Collier Landry: 00:55:33

how this material affects you.

Collier Landry: 00:55:35

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Collier Landry: 00:55:43

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Collier Landry: 00:55:46

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Collier Landry: 00:55:52

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